Adam> hehehe. Good question. Well, as one of our heroes, she couldn't bite
and poison her opponant, could she? The traditional "head strike" with the hand in human
world had to go. But we tried to stay true to the form, in "mimicing" strikes of limbs in her silouhette, so we 'd have a hint of "joints" to convey and diffirenciate a front kick from a side kick for example. Her basic fighting stance is also mimic of the human form , with her
head and tail hinting on the circular motion of the human arm for that form.
But, again, we tried to stay close to her natural physical abilities , so that she could coil around her opponant, on top of the "counter while deflecting" human strike.
Technicaly, she is the most challenging character to animate.
The rig is tough to break, and shapes are very difficult to hit to convey the poses.
Luckily, it didn't scare Fred Nilsson , the animator who was pretty much in charge
of her. Everybody else was happy to let him deal with all this.......
He did a fantastic job. You can believe a snake can throw a side kick or a back fist without any limbs...
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by Adam Shades O' Grey » Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:26 am
actually watching and pausing the trailer whenever she is on the screen I see what your getting at like in the beginning where she assume the Snake stance with the other characters. Gotta give it up to Fred though.
You know what give it to everybody who worked on this ,including yourself Rod, cause freeze framing it you can really appreciate the character design. Who provides the voice work for the other manamals?
You know what give it to everybody who worked on this ,including yourself Rod, cause freeze framing it you can really appreciate the character design. Who provides the voice work for the other manamals?
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by HellboyOne » Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:13 pm
Rodolphe just stands around Dreamworks looking handsome, which inspires great work out of everybody. 
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by Matt_Smith » Sat Nov 10, 2007 2:50 am
Hello, new bug here. I discovered this particular thread after watching the Kung Fu Panda trailers (both the theatrical one and the one with Mr Black jumping about in a studio), and it's been really interesting to read all the background info on what looks like it's going to be a thoroughly splendid film. I love all the character designs (they're brimming with personality, and their faces are incredibly expressive), the quality of the animation is extremely high, and I still think the idea of having each animal fight using the corresponding martial arts style is terrifically nifty. I'm really looking forward to seeing it, basically. Do you know what the movie's UK release date is, by any chance?
This is an interesting point, and right now there's one particular question worth asking: Does it have any headbutts in it? Because if the answer is yes, I'm afraid the British censors very probably will be getting busy with the scissors.
The wacky funsters at the BBFC go through peculiar phases of unacceptability; during the 1990s one of their particular bugbears was anything involving nunchucks, to the extent that if they were seen being used in any film or TV programme, it was automatically slapped with at least a 15 certificate. If the film or programme producers wanted a PG rating or lower, every last trace of nunchuck use had to be edited out. As you can imagine, this played havoc with the Ninja Turtles movies and TV shows, and many martial arts movies suffered similar problems - even though the films usually ended up with an 18 rating (including most of Mr Lee's output), the BBFC still considered some nunchuck use to be "excessive" and so went around arbitrarily chopping off great lumps of footage anyway.
But then, at the turn of the millennium, they suddenly had one of their trademark changes of heart (a la Mr Burns in that bowling episode). All at once, nunchucks were perfectly fine and could be shown in all their whirly-sticked glory in everything from films to Saturday morning TV shows. (A couple of years ago the first TMNT live-action movie got a DVD re-release over here, with all the nunchuckery restored but its original PG rating intact, and the new Turtles cartoons get shown all the time with no cuts at all.) Now, however, they've decided that the use of a headbutt is completely beyond the pale because it's something that children will absolutely definitely start doing to all their friends if they see someone doing it on the telly or at the cinema.
You may know that when Shrek 2 came out over here three years ago, aside from having some of the voices changed in a misguided attempt to make it more Brit-friendly (a tactic I'm happy to see that Dreamworks has now abandoned), it had to have one brief moment completely re-animated in order to get a Universal rating. The moment in question is the bit where Fiona knocks out Prince Charming at the end ? in the original version she does this by headbutting him, but this was deemed unsuitable for children by the BBFC. So the chaps at Dreamworks animated an alternate take for the UK where she karate-chops him in the neck, which is something the BBFC apparently think is perfectly fine for children and not something they'd ever possibly be able to imitate at all. Lummocks.
Anyway, to return (at long last) to the original point, I have a nasty feeling that the British censors may have it in for Kung Fu Panda when it lands on British shores. It'll almost certainly depend on whether there are any bonce-related collisions in there or not, so I'm rather hoping there aren't. I'd prefer not to have to go to the trouble of getting the Region 1 DVD just because of the BBFC's idiocy.
RodGuen wrote:As for the rating, there hasn't been this kind of concern, as far as i know, in the recent test screenings...But we both know how tough they are in England, for example.... I remember cringing and biting my lips while watching some Bruce Lee videos i had bought while i was living there. All the censure!!!
This is an interesting point, and right now there's one particular question worth asking: Does it have any headbutts in it? Because if the answer is yes, I'm afraid the British censors very probably will be getting busy with the scissors.
The wacky funsters at the BBFC go through peculiar phases of unacceptability; during the 1990s one of their particular bugbears was anything involving nunchucks, to the extent that if they were seen being used in any film or TV programme, it was automatically slapped with at least a 15 certificate. If the film or programme producers wanted a PG rating or lower, every last trace of nunchuck use had to be edited out. As you can imagine, this played havoc with the Ninja Turtles movies and TV shows, and many martial arts movies suffered similar problems - even though the films usually ended up with an 18 rating (including most of Mr Lee's output), the BBFC still considered some nunchuck use to be "excessive" and so went around arbitrarily chopping off great lumps of footage anyway.
But then, at the turn of the millennium, they suddenly had one of their trademark changes of heart (a la Mr Burns in that bowling episode). All at once, nunchucks were perfectly fine and could be shown in all their whirly-sticked glory in everything from films to Saturday morning TV shows. (A couple of years ago the first TMNT live-action movie got a DVD re-release over here, with all the nunchuckery restored but its original PG rating intact, and the new Turtles cartoons get shown all the time with no cuts at all.) Now, however, they've decided that the use of a headbutt is completely beyond the pale because it's something that children will absolutely definitely start doing to all their friends if they see someone doing it on the telly or at the cinema.
You may know that when Shrek 2 came out over here three years ago, aside from having some of the voices changed in a misguided attempt to make it more Brit-friendly (a tactic I'm happy to see that Dreamworks has now abandoned), it had to have one brief moment completely re-animated in order to get a Universal rating. The moment in question is the bit where Fiona knocks out Prince Charming at the end ? in the original version she does this by headbutting him, but this was deemed unsuitable for children by the BBFC. So the chaps at Dreamworks animated an alternate take for the UK where she karate-chops him in the neck, which is something the BBFC apparently think is perfectly fine for children and not something they'd ever possibly be able to imitate at all. Lummocks.
Anyway, to return (at long last) to the original point, I have a nasty feeling that the British censors may have it in for Kung Fu Panda when it lands on British shores. It'll almost certainly depend on whether there are any bonce-related collisions in there or not, so I'm rather hoping there aren't. I'd prefer not to have to go to the trouble of getting the Region 1 DVD just because of the BBFC's idiocy.
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by Adam Shades O' Grey » Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:25 am
actually on Matt's mention of the use of nunchucks within Britain, the 80's turtles cartoons featured Michaelangelo using a rope and a hook. Apparently thats less violent then a pair of sticks on a string.
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by RodGuen » Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:20 pm
Adam Shades> You know, you don't sound like a 18 years old, and you sure don't write like one.As a parent , it makes me feel good when i meet teenagers who are articulate, intelligent and respectfull.
As for the voices, i think this has been on the net before.
Our panda is Jack Black, the master "Shifu" is Dustin Hoffman,
Viper is Lucy Liu, Crane is David Cross, Mantis is Seth Rogen, Tigress is Angelina Jolie,
Monkey is Jackie Chan, Randall Duk Kim is playing my favorite character, Oogway.
James Hong plays Po's father.
suryrony> well, ...as far as credits, they can name it how ever they want to
once i signed my contract.When they wanted me to sign,
they gave me this pompous "fight choreographer" title.
I would do some 2D versions of the shots when needed, and supervise the animation for anything "actiony".
Luckily, Dan Wagner, the Head of Animation on the show, who i worked with in the past, has / is patient with my demands/ whims...
HellboyOne> you make me sound as cool as i dream to be...
BenC> darling, you should know by now, i don't smoke anymore......
Matt Smith> Welcome! Great points!! I remember how tough the commities were
when i lived in London, and it has, it seems, not moved since.
Well, we do have a headbutt...
I hope it'll get around unoticed in England, mate....
Pupu> Salut, toi!! Tu vas bien?
Tu peux voir le teaser sur le site : www.kungfupanda.com
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by Adam Shades O' Grey » Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:32 pm
Aww shucks
You know I was actually surprised when you revealed Angelina Jolie as Tigress. I was under the impression Tigress was male, mistaking feline agility with feminine grace ,or is that vice versa?, well either way I think its a good choice and reflects well on the character who I assume is the most intense member of the group.
As for the others all wonderful comedians and actors but I'm most impressed by David Cross as Crane which instantly brought memories of his roles as Irwin the toy Designer in Small Soldiers and Dwight the Wheelchair bound scientist in Scary Movie 2.
Do you try to incorporate the actors face or features during the character development stage?
You know I was actually surprised when you revealed Angelina Jolie as Tigress. I was under the impression Tigress was male, mistaking feline agility with feminine grace ,or is that vice versa?, well either way I think its a good choice and reflects well on the character who I assume is the most intense member of the group.
As for the others all wonderful comedians and actors but I'm most impressed by David Cross as Crane which instantly brought memories of his roles as Irwin the toy Designer in Small Soldiers and Dwight the Wheelchair bound scientist in Scary Movie 2.
Do you try to incorporate the actors face or features during the character development stage?
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by Pupu » Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:22 am
thanks for the link Rodguen .
I've just seen it, and it looks really nice , even if i still prefer 2D animation movies ^^ . I can't wait to see it in France .
@rodguen : oui oui ?a va ^^ J'ai pas trop eu acc?s au net r?cemment pour fr?quenter ? nouveau les forums , mais je me rattrape
Tu sembles heureux du r?sultat sur ce film . L'anim est tr?s dynamique sur ce trailer . Je me demande si tu pourras poster quelques dessins (storyboard, rough anim, recherches diverses) une fois le film sorti , sans concurrencer la sortie probable d'un artbook sur le film? J'adore voir des dessins un peu "rough"
I've just seen it, and it looks really nice , even if i still prefer 2D animation movies ^^ . I can't wait to see it in France .
@rodguen : oui oui ?a va ^^ J'ai pas trop eu acc?s au net r?cemment pour fr?quenter ? nouveau les forums , mais je me rattrape
Tu sembles heureux du r?sultat sur ce film . L'anim est tr?s dynamique sur ce trailer . Je me demande si tu pourras poster quelques dessins (storyboard, rough anim, recherches diverses) une fois le film sorti , sans concurrencer la sortie probable d'un artbook sur le film?
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by Blue Pillow » Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:10 pm
KUNG FU PANDA!!! Sweeeeeet.....
I can't wait to see "my first movie" in the theater next June!! Yes, I worked for 3 1/2 years in the story department on KFP, and let me tell you all... working with and learning from Rodolphe every day was AWESOME. Yes, I am bragging. Sorry. I am actually very humbled by the tremendous blessing it was to have this film as my first experience in the movie bizness...
This thread is great, rodguen! Excellent "special feature," as someone described it.
And let me chime in on how pumped I am about the movie not having pop culture references in it. The story crew, along with our directors and producer, took a strong stance on that from the beginning, and it looks like it will come good...
As for your question, Shades O' Grey, I wouldn't say that the actors' faces influenced the designs at all, in this case. Nicolas Marlet, as rodguen mentioned, designed the characters before any actors were cast--and the final models are extremely close to the original drawings. (Unlike in many other productions, where the 3-D models become a boring version of cool 2-D designs.)
Sometimes Po (the panda) does have expressions similar to Jack Black's, but that comes from the animators, who are working from his voice recordings for dialogue animation. And since Jack Black is such a charming and funny actor, I am glad if there's a bit of resemblance...
I would say most of the other characters look nothing like their voice actors. Except for Dustin Hoffman, who really is two feet tall.
I can't wait to see "my first movie" in the theater next June!! Yes, I worked for 3 1/2 years in the story department on KFP, and let me tell you all... working with and learning from Rodolphe every day was AWESOME. Yes, I am bragging. Sorry. I am actually very humbled by the tremendous blessing it was to have this film as my first experience in the movie bizness...
This thread is great, rodguen! Excellent "special feature," as someone described it.
And let me chime in on how pumped I am about the movie not having pop culture references in it. The story crew, along with our directors and producer, took a strong stance on that from the beginning, and it looks like it will come good...
As for your question, Shades O' Grey, I wouldn't say that the actors' faces influenced the designs at all, in this case. Nicolas Marlet, as rodguen mentioned, designed the characters before any actors were cast--and the final models are extremely close to the original drawings. (Unlike in many other productions, where the 3-D models become a boring version of cool 2-D designs.)
Sometimes Po (the panda) does have expressions similar to Jack Black's, but that comes from the animators, who are working from his voice recordings for dialogue animation. And since Jack Black is such a charming and funny actor, I am glad if there's a bit of resemblance...
I would say most of the other characters look nothing like their voice actors. Except for Dustin Hoffman, who really is two feet tall.
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by echobanzai » Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:36 pm
not a big fan of dreamworks cgi stuff. but im HOPING this gets some good reviews.
only thing im worried about, is it will be way too slapstick, and not enough kung fu. you can do both, and have it work. but, im worried these guys will turn it into a comedy fest.
people make fun of me for saying this, but the martial arts scenes in the power rangers, another 'kids' show is great. so if the power rangers can do great kung fu on a low budget show, a 150 million dollar cgi project should have amazing action, considering the entire film is made up.
only thing im worried about, is it will be way too slapstick, and not enough kung fu. you can do both, and have it work. but, im worried these guys will turn it into a comedy fest.
people make fun of me for saying this, but the martial arts scenes in the power rangers, another 'kids' show is great. so if the power rangers can do great kung fu on a low budget show, a 150 million dollar cgi project should have amazing action, considering the entire film is made up.
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by ben c » Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:01 am
no, there is some intense/violent action
with no funny disruption, including a
crazy scene with the villain in prison
(i don't know if it's in the trailer, it
wouldn't load for me...)
phil - nicolas marlet should get a special
oscar just for existing. i hate him.
ho'ws post-dw life?
rodolphe - fine. but you're still holding a
bottle of booze in my version. also, i
think i just added a pirate patch. take
that!
and that "darling" stuff may work on
jeff k., but i'm on to you, mister.
with no funny disruption, including a
crazy scene with the villain in prison
(i don't know if it's in the trailer, it
wouldn't load for me...)
phil - nicolas marlet should get a special
oscar just for existing. i hate him.
ho'ws post-dw life?
rodolphe - fine. but you're still holding a
bottle of booze in my version. also, i
think i just added a pirate patch. take
that!
and that "darling" stuff may work on
jeff k., but i'm on to you, mister.
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by RodGuen » Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:25 pm
Sorry for bumping this plug/ thread...
The website has been updated......
http://www.kungfupanda.com/
Also, there will be a new trailer before "Spiderwick Chronicles" i believe...
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