Kirsten Ulve and Fafi show

[Maizekid]

Went to the Kirsten Ulve show tonight with some of the crew and Have to say I was totally blown away by Kirsten's stuff.. all printeed up nice and large on canvas... Wasnt expecting to be so impressed by digital canvas prints but have a totally new appreciation for the stuff... if your in LA I highly suggest you check it out.. its a real treat, I saw Kirsten but did know what to say , and telling her how dope she is just seemed retarded.. so ... I didnt say anything.. But her stuff was really fantastic!.... The Fafi stufff I was less impressed with and really wished that there was more to it .. seemed to repeat itself alot.. although I did like alot of the color schemes. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> But the old school bubble letter grafitti style just brought me back to 1985 when I started doin that stuff and made me wish she'd been more inventive with it.. I dunno , I suppose I think that grafitti has a hard enough time tryin to grown so why try to push it foward by rehashing the old really easy , and in my opinion weak, stuff... anyhow.. Really liked alot of the show over all! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p>A whole new breed of Maizekid... An evolution of Epic proportions bout to wreck some blackbook dreams!check out the new art forum atwww.sketchbooksessions.com</p><i></i>

[3r0therGr1mm]

Where is the show Kid..... ? <p>- Aron<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.grimmdesign.com" target="top"><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.grimmdesign.com/portfolio/picfolder/banner1.gif" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--></a><!--EZCODE LINK END--></p><i></i>

[faroukba]

so they just printed out computer stuff onto canvas????<br><br>good on ya for saying nothing when you had nothing to say<br>i usually linger too long thinking about it then say something feckin out there and then try to hug people <p></p><i></i>

[sensitiveandimportant]

Was Kirsten Hot ?<br>I so want to know what she looks like.I've sent her several e-mails and shes replied everytime,she seems really nice and she has good taste in music!! <p></p><i></i>

[Maizekid]

Grim.. the sixspace gallery... go to www.sixspace.com for the address details.... All I know is its off of 23rd<br><br>Faro.. Only kirsten.. fafi's stuff was painted.. <br>'<br>Sensit... depends on your definition of hot.. I personally thought she was very cute.<br> <p>A whole new breed of Maizekid... An evolution of Epic proportions bout to wreck some blackbook dreams!check out the new art forum atwww.sketchbooksessions.com</p><i></i>

[HellboyOne]

I was there with the Kid as well. Good times. Ulve's stuff was grand to see nice and big (since I've only seen it previously on computer monitors). However, I have a bit of trouble with paying $900 for a signed color laser print on canvas. Granted, there isn't any other way for a digital artist to sell their work in a gallery environment (unless they sell traditional media, of course). Still....couldn't see it as a proper investment in artwork.<br><br>Fafi was eh....good enough but not good enough, if that makes any sense. Sometimes, graffiti gone legit doesn't do it for me but it has happened a few times. This Fafi's work...well...let's see where it is in 10 years.<br><br>R. <p><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.rickcortes.com"><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.rickcortes.com/sitemarker.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--></a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.sketchbooksessions.com"><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://homepage.mac.com/artsyfartsy/.Pictures/ssbanner1.gif"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--></a><!--EZCODE LINK END--></p><i></i>

[drugmassacre]

I gotta make it over to that show sometime this week maybe?<br><br>I agree with Rick about digital prints. I think they work great for a gallery showing as a way to display for looking at, but to sell it at a price that an actual piece of artwork would be sold at...seems ridiculous. In the end, it's really just a....print...and the original is still safely tucked in the artist's computer - only to be printed up again and sold to another person for the same amount of money or more? of course, it's all up to the buyers much a piece will go for, so if someone really wants to shell out the dough, i ain't here to stop them <p></p><i></i>

[MrMack]

Well I am jealous I would love to go to that show! <br><br>I don't see a problem with selling prints of digital art on canvas for large sums... it's a new medium and new ways of buying and distributing the art to collectors is evolving too. I think in a few years time this will become quite normal and seem less like a Xerox art. With high profile illustrators like Kirsten leading the way she is defiantly breaking new ground and peoples misconceptions of digital illustration. <p>-Steve<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.illustrationfarm.com">www.illustrationfarm.com</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>"Keep your crayons sharp, your sticky tape untangled and always put the tops back on your markers" <br>- Ernie Coombs<br></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub127.ezboard.com/bcartoonandillustrationparadise66133.showUserPublicProfile?gid=mrmack>MrMack</A> at: 6/8/03 6:31 pm<br></i>

[williambloke]

Well, people have been selling lithos as collectable art for a long time. I guess giclee is a natural progression of that with the world of print going digital too. As long as they are printing limited, signed and numbered runs I thinks it okay. That said 900 bucks seems pretty steep to me... I'll sell ya an original much cheaper <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> .<br><br><br>I'll be in LA at the end of the month, times short, but I hope to take in this show and Biskups show at La Luz de Jesus Gallery. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub127.ezboard.com/bcartoonandillustrationparadise66133.showUserPublicProfile?gid=williambloke>williambloke</A> at: 6/8/03 6:46 pm<br></i>

[DanBois]

HellboyOne-<br> Try $2,000.00 for a Weyland giclee. They are printed the same way, usually on a 36" or larger high end 6 color or more <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>INK JET</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Plotter. They use archival UV resistant Inks that are supposed to resist fading for at least 25 years. These devices have a wider gamut than a "color laser print ". A set of inks can cost over $2,000.00. The canvas rolls are not cheap either. In most cases you can only afford a limited run of your prints. A lithograph will degrade with each succesive print but the 1st giclee is as good as the 2,000th. But I will agree $900.00 is a lot! how much of that goes to the gallery, how much to the printer and how much is Kristen left with? She probably gets the least!<br><br>Dan <p></p><i></i>

[MrRagnar]

There is no such thing as a "digital print". Prints are still made the same way they have been for centuries: inks, or dyes and some sort of absorbant substrate. The process used to create the image, or transfer it onto paper may be in part digital, but the print is not made up of binary code.<br><br>As far as them not being valuable because they are copies- have you priced "copies" of Action Comics #1, Detective #27, or a "Gaines File Copy" of any EC book. How about the "Marvel Pay Copy" that sold last year for $350,000. A first edition of Alice In Wonderland, or Gone With The Wind, or that damn Albert Hurter book that you can't touch for less than $750. Some of these copies were produced in the hundreds of thousands.<br><br>Photographers had to overcome this same issue in the early part of the last century. Avedon, Adams, Ritts and other photographer's prints can fetch huge sums today. How else could you even own a photographers work if you didn't want a copy?<br><br>Furthermore, there are state laws that very clearly define the parameters of "limited editions" i.e. you can't just run off copies when you feel like it.<br><br><br>Besides, these Ulve prints aren't copies, they're singular unique pieces (and the show is nearly sold out.)<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[rainboy]

I think I might be in luck, Kristen & Fafi's show will end on the 12th of July. As long as it dun end at 1pm tat day, there's a high chanca I'll get to see it <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Well, I'm oky with Prints as long as itz as it state "limited edition". Only with Photography or digi Arts tho(cause tats their... "actual" piece after all), painting I'll still want e actual piece if I'm gonna pay for tat price <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :\ --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/ohwell.gif ALT=":\"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br><br> <p>"Winston, if I were married to you, I'd put poison in your coffee."<br>"And if you were my wife", Churchill replied, "I'd drink it."</p><i></i>

[HellboyOne]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Besides, these Ulve prints aren't copies, they're singular unique pieces (and the show is nearly sold out.)<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>That's fine. And I know where you're coming from completely. I own my share of prints (line art, paintings, and photography alike). But for some reason, that evening, I just winced at 900 bucks for a print. That's all. Plus a few of them had flaws...scratches across the front, a blotch here and there...I thought that was sort of unprofessional, but it might have happened in transit or maybe some jackass viewer there did it. <br><br>R. <p><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.rickcortes.com"><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.rickcortes.com/sitemarker.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--></a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.sketchbooksessions.com"><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://homepage.mac.com/artsyfartsy/.Pictures/ssbanner1.gif"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--></a><!--EZCODE LINK END--></p><i></i>

[MartinRedmond]

"As far as them not being valuable because they are copies- have you priced "copies" of Action Comics #1, Detective #27, or a "Gaines File Copy" of any EC book. [...] Some of these copies were produced in the hundreds of thousands."<br><br>Excellent point. <p></p><i></i>

[sukeband]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"As far as them not being valuable because they are copies- have you priced "copies" of Action Comics #1, Detective #27, or a "Gaines File Copy" of any EC book. [...] Some of these copies were produced in the hundreds of thousands."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>However, these "copies" <!--EZCODE UNDERLINE START--><span style="text-decoration:underline">sold</span><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE END--> for .10 cents.<br>Now, after appreciation, and rarity they sell higher. The rarity of these books, as well as historic importance over time is what appreciated these copies you example into fine art.<br>Just seems an unfair comparison to compare rare published work of 70 years of age which continues to rot away from existence at a snails pace at best, if not faster!<br> <br>$900 for a graphic print is a marketing ploy that the artist uses to lure the amateur collector with plenty of dough. Hell even if the prints don't sell, the artist's self worth skyrockets. <br><br>$900 for a print that has little importance other than decor, and scientifically advanced life cycle seems rather egotistic, Unless of course it cost the artist close to $900 to simply create a high quality print. I suspect it cost $150-300 at best.<br><br>But I certainly don't fault the artist...In fact I would do the same thing. A client wants to spend $900 on an insignificant graphic decor, then that is probably small potatoes in the client's grander, financial life's balance.<br>more power to her...<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://pub127.ezboard.com/bcartoonandillustrationparadise66133.showUserPublicProfile?gid=toby74>toby74</A> at: 6/10/03 9:29 am<br></i>