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Star Wars thingy

Postby Elliotanimated » Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:35 pm

Before anything, I should probably apologise for creating a post about the most over posted film in the world, ever.
Star Wars.

But this is a link to a book that I imagine everyone has read over and over but I've only just disovered.
http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/book.html
It's a free download and a genuinely interesting read (no doubt full of information to be found elsewhere).
It's a free PFD and I'm enjoying it thoroughly.
It's sort of a history and kind of an expose but it doesn't seem to be attempting anything sensational - it's actually quite balanced.

The insights into Lucas are the most interesting, the least surprising of which is that he's not especially talented and was happy making shitty films (again, this information is presented in a straight forward manner with no hysterical fanboying).

I didn't bother to read the first half, about Lucas' influences or the making of A New Hope.
I read from the chapter called The Wreckage, about the difficult relationship between Lucas and Kirshner.
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Postby Gorgonzola » Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:56 pm

I read an excerpt of that concerning Lucas and his "directing" approach, and I think it hits the nail on the head and explains a big problem a lot of people have with the prequels but can't seem to give a definite reason why.

The story revolving around Empire Strikes Back is particularly interesting, considering how it's considered the best out of all the movies, yet Lucas hated it apparently since he hardly had control over it.
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Postby Elliotanimated » Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:04 pm

Yes - it's very telling that he thought A New Hope was "good enough" and that they didn't need to make the sequel any better.
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Postby Captain Genius » Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:01 pm

Lucas is a hump.
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Postby Elliotanimated » Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:07 pm

If there's any accuracy to this document, Lucas is very much a hump.
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Postby Captain Genius » Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:34 pm

Then I look forward to reading it.

That said, I still want one of those sweet ass new Clone Trooper helmets.
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Postby Elliotanimated » Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:43 pm

It's a very balanced opinion of a strange and limited man.
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Postby Captain Genius » Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:03 pm

hahahahaha


'limited'

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Postby Scripe » Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:21 am

It seems so far that the book is trying to prove that George made the story up as he went along instead of having a grand plan from the very beginning. I really don't care how he came up with his story to be honest and I don't care if he just pulled plot points out of his ass. That's just how some shit gets written or made or whatever. Seriously, I kept reading the guys evidence and saying to myself "So what?" Yeah George lied about having the the whole thing completely planned out from the beginning... So What? It's a fucking space movie.
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Postby Elliotanimated » Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:23 am

So don't read any more of it then.
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Postby Scripe » Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:32 am

I'm sorry, I mistook this thread for a discussion, where opinions could be offered on the subject without people taking it personally (except maybe the author, which I assume, is no one here). My "so what" was directed at the author not you guys.

I was simply pointing out what I thought to be the point behind the book as I read it so far. I guess that's not allowed.

I would ask, though, that next time you make it a little more clear that people who aren't echoing you are not wanted.
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Postby Elliotanimated » Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:50 am

Geez, louise man - calm down.

You are of course entitled to whatever opinion you like.
You opinion seemed to be "Who gives a shit?", which is perfectly valid, and in the case of Start Wars quite reasonable.
I don't give a shit about Star Wars these days and I still found this book to be compelling account of the film making process.

I was simply suggesting that if you don't give a shit, then don't read any more of it.
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Postby Scripe » Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:04 am

Oh Yeah!!!???

Well , well.... ok.

I got very little sleep last night so I feel a bit.. assholey this morning, I apologize.
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Postby Elliotanimated » Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:10 am

Ha.
Think nothing of it.

As I said - I started reading from about half way through.
If you do have an interest in film making (and Star Wars, I guess) it really sheds a lot of light on why Empire is a strong film, why Jedi is not, and why the prequels are a mess - and not simply because Lucas is a goose.
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Postby Gorgonzola » Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:26 am

It really is sad that he actively sought out folk for the prequels that wouldn't challenge him. That's at least the vibe I got from reading more of the book. I find it funny how his fussiness and limited scope is his "Vision" and the fact that Kasdan and Kerschner pulled out Empire from what Lucas originally wanted to do makes him frustrated since it's not his "vision."

Also, best line from one of Lucas' early drafts? "I'm not going to kiss you here, not now. You see, I like to delay my pleasure, and kissing you now wouldn't give me the satisfaction I would get from later." - Han Solo

Riveting.
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